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#369031 - 10/22/08 12:12 PM Buy American
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Buy American. I Am.

By WARREN E. BUFFETT


THE financial world is a mess, both in the United States and abroad. Its problems, moreover, have been leaking into the general economy, and the leaks are now turning into a gusher. In the near term, unemployment will rise, business activity will falter and headlines will continue to be scary.

So ... I’ve been buying American stocks. This is my personal account I’m talking about, in which I previously owned nothing but United States government bonds. (This description leaves aside my Berkshire Hathaway holdings, which are all committed to philanthropy.) If prices keep looking attractive, my non-Berkshire net worth will soon be 100 percent in United States equities.

Why?

A simple rule dictates my buying: Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful. And most certainly, fear is now widespread, gripping even seasoned investors. To be sure, investors are right to be wary of highly leveraged entities or businesses in weak competitive positions. But fears regarding the long-term prosperity of the nation’s many sound companies make no sense. These businesses will indeed suffer earnings hiccups, as they always have. But most major companies will be setting new profit records 5, 10 and 20 years from now.

Let me be clear on one point: I can’t predict the short-term movements of the stock market. I haven’t the faintest idea as to whether stocks will be higher or lower a month — or a year — from now. What is likely, however, is that the market will move higher, perhaps substantially so, well before either sentiment or the economy turns up. So if you wait for the robins, spring will be over.

A little history here: During the Depression, the Dow hit its low, 41, on July 8, 1932. Economic conditions, though, kept deteriorating until Franklin D. Roosevelt took office in March 1933. By that time, the market had already advanced 30 percent. Or think back to the early days of World War II, when things were going badly for the United States in Europe and the Pacific. The market hit bottom in April 1942, well before Allied fortunes turned. Again, in the early 1980s, the time to buy stocks was when inflation raged and the economy was in the tank. In short, bad news is an investor’s best friend. It lets you buy a slice of America’s future at a marked-down price.

Over the long term, the stock market news will be good. In the 20th century, the United States endured two world wars and other traumatic and expensive military conflicts; the Depression; a dozen or so recessions and financial panics; oil shocks; a flu epidemic; and the resignation of a disgraced president. Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.

You might think it would have been impossible for an investor to lose money during a century marked by such an extraordinary gain. But some investors did. The hapless ones bought stocks only when they felt comfort in doing so and then proceeded to sell when the headlines made them queasy.

Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn’t. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value. Indeed, the policies that government will follow in its efforts to alleviate the current crisis will probably prove inflationary and therefore accelerate declines in the real value of cash accounts.

Equities will almost certainly outperform cash over the next decade, probably by a substantial degree. Those investors who cling now to cash are betting they can efficiently time their move away from it later. In waiting for the comfort of good news, they are ignoring Wayne Gretzky’s advice: “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.”

I don’t like to opine on the stock market, and again I emphasize that I have no idea what the market will do in the short term. Nevertheless, I’ll follow the lead of a restaurant that opened in an empty bank building and then advertised: “Put your mouth where your money was.” Today my money and my mouth both say equities.


New York Times

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#369032 - 10/22/08 12:49 PM Re: Buy American
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Never gonna happen. People will keep buying cheap shit made in China.
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#369033 - 10/22/08 01:31 PM Re: Buy American
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I appreciate Mr. Buffett's attempt to be "bullish on America", but after another bad day on the street, I am not quite sure that the market has yet found its bottom, and I am loathe to purchase any equities with my cash reserves until I believe that this market has, in fact found its bottom.

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#369034 - 10/22/08 02:41 PM Re: Buy American
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Feh. Easy for Warren Buffet to say. When foreclosure and debt are standing around the corner, waiting to jump you, one has his mind on something else than equities and stock markets.

Besides, his comparison of the current situation with the depression in the 30s is utterly ridiculous and comparing today with the 80s is slightly less simplistic.

Thirdly, it's obvious Buffet has to preach this version of the market-gospel. His own fortune is at stake.
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#369035 - 10/22/08 02:45 PM Re: Buy American
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Quote:

his comparison of the current situation with the depression in the 30s is utterly ridiculous and comparing today with the 80s is slightly less simplistic.




Why?


Quote:

it's obvious Buffet has to preach this version of the market-gospel. His own fortune is at stake.




How?

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#369036 - 10/22/08 03:29 PM Re: Buy American
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Quote:

I appreciate Mr. Buffett's attempt to be "bullish on America", but after another bad day on the street, I am not quite sure that the market has yet found its bottom, and I am loathe to purchase any equities with my cash reserves until I believe that this market has, in fact found its bottom.




Bottoms are processes and not points.
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#369037 - 10/22/08 03:53 PM Re: Buy American
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Never gonna happen. People will keep buying cheap shit made in China.




Oppo DVD players are made in china, and they're not shit. I'd rather have a Oppo than a overpriced Lexicon or Arcam DVD player. The west wants low prices on all housegood goods and gadgets, that's not going to happen if they're built in the west.

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#369038 - 10/22/08 04:32 PM Re: Buy American
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Jim,

In short:

In the 30s, the US (as most of the countries) were an isolated country with a 'simple' economic structure. That's why the 'Great Depression' didn't spread to other countries.
In the 80s 'crisis', the impact of the oil price on the global market was much bigger than nowadays. OPEC controlled the influx into the market and all oil flowed basically to the 25 richest countries on earth.

Second issue:
Buffet still has a lot of shares and related products. If everyone keeps selling, his worth goes down and down. He doesn't need that.
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#369039 - 10/22/08 04:56 PM Re: Buy American
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That's why the 'Great Depression' didn't spread to other countries.







You're going to have to explain this one.

Quote:

Buffet still has a lot of shares and related products. If everyone keeps selling, his worth goes down and down. He doesn't need that.




Does anybody need it? Seems to me it effects everybody, even those without a dime invested in the market.

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#369040 - 10/22/08 05:19 PM Re: Buy American
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Never gonna happen. People will keep buying cheap shit made in China.



+1

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#369041 - 10/22/08 05:40 PM Re: Buy American
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Feh. Easy for Warren Buffet to say.


yeah, right? mr. buffet, you're officially the gwyneth paltrow of the economy.

*edited because i do agree with buffet... i just kept expecting to read "i'd sooner die than give my children tinned soup" or some other such shit.


Edited by Gigi (10/22/08 06:17 PM)
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#369042 - 10/22/08 08:42 PM Re: Buy American
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Quote:

Quote:

Feh. Easy for Warren Buffet to say.


yeah, right? mr. buffet, you're officially the gwyneth paltrow of the economy.

*edited because i do agree with buffet... i just kept expecting to read "i'd sooner die than give my children tinned soup" or some other such shit.



Crank open a can of Campbell's

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#369043 - 10/22/08 11:26 PM Re: Buy American
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He makes a sound argument for buying stocks, but nothing specific to American stocks. In fact, his argument against holding cash (higher dollar inflation is now likely) makes a better case for investing abroad.
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#369044 - 10/23/08 12:07 AM Re: Buy American
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Remember boys, it's buy low and sell high. I have met too many people who are scared right now when it's actually a buying opportunity that doesn't come around very often. These people want to wait until the market gets out of "technical bearishness" before they stick their toe back into it and as a result the more often than not end up buying high and eventually selling low.
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#369045 - 10/24/08 08:58 AM Re: Buy American
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So.....how many of you own foreign cars? Other than housing it's the biggest purchase a person can make. If you're going to buy American, start there. I drive a Chevrolet Equinox and I love it.
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#369046 - 10/24/08 12:47 PM Re: Buy American
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chrysler aspen (me) and gmc envoy (asshole)
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#369047 - 10/24/08 03:26 PM Re: Buy American
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Gigi, why do you both drive a tank? Nice tanks, I must say, but still tanks.

I can't drive a Dutch car, because there are no Dutch brands anymore. There is car production in Holland, but it's Mitsubishi. Currently, I drive Volkswagen.
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#369048 - 10/24/08 04:03 PM Re: Buy American
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Ford F-150

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#369049 - 10/24/08 04:21 PM Re: Buy American
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I drive a Saturn. It is my second one, and both have been quite reliable.

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#369050 - 10/24/08 04:37 PM Re: Buy American
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You'd look cool driving one of these

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/driving-fiats-modern-classic/

Why do you have off roaders?

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#369051 - 10/24/08 08:20 PM Re: Buy American
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I have driven only a few times. I have a Canadian driver's license but I do not deserve it.

The only car I ever had was a '73 Mercedes which took leaded gasoline and self destructed about a week after I inherited it. No car since.

If I were to ever become a car owner I would want a huge American car, Like a Caprice or a Crown Victoria.
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#369052 - 10/24/08 09:36 PM Re: Buy American
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Quote:

*edited because i do agree with buffet... i just kept expecting to read "i'd sooner die than give my children tinned soup" or some other such shit.




aka the Foundation of Casseroles.

A future indicator of bad times would be the Gigi buying store-brand flavored tortilla and corn chips, e.g. Nacho "Cheez" Krogeritos.




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#369053 - 10/24/08 11:52 PM Re: Buy American
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Quote:


In fact, his argument against holding cash (higher dollar inflation is now likely) makes a better case for investing abroad.



I'm not sure dollar inflation will be any worse than euro inflation. The EU countries have commited far more to the bank bailout than the US - at least a trillion dollar's worth - so far, and the French seemed determined to spend more.
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#369054 - 10/25/08 12:03 AM Re: Buy American
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So.....how many of you own foreign cars? Other than housing it's the biggest purchase a person can make.




401k or other saving should be much higher than car purchases or payments. In my case my home mortgage was than my monthly 401k (that's less common, but i deliberately bought down for that reason).
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#369055 - 10/25/08 04:12 AM Re: Buy American
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Quote:


I can't drive a Dutch car, because there are no Dutch brands anymore. There is car production in Holland, but it's Mitsubishi. Currently, I drive Volkswagen.




Translation: I can't afford one of these.

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#369056 - 10/25/08 06:09 AM Re: Buy American
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Indeed Dan, I can't afford that. Thanks for rubbing it in!!

FWIW, Spyker is a re-invented Dutch brand (it started a few years ago, after decades of non-existence), which is not in serial production.
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#369057 - 10/25/08 07:05 AM Re: Buy American
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#369058 - 10/25/08 02:07 PM Re: Buy American
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Quote:

Gigi, why do you both drive a tank? Nice tanks, I must say, but still tanks.




why not?

i have three children, so i prefer two rows of back seats. i'm not exactly the prius type, anyway.
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